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Jun 012013
 

I watched this video about the attacks on Benghazi Consulate more than ten times and every time I hear the same thing between the second 0.19 to the second 0.23 of the clip

It is  an Egyptian person shouting in a rural or Sinai slang : No one shoot, 'the' doctor Morsi sent us.

Adding 'the' to names and titles is common in some tribal and rural areas on the borders, also in Gaza

I don't understand the language of other Arab persons in this video , I understand only the few clear words uttered by this Egyptian voice.

I don't know why he mention the name of the president and not any  name from the leaders of his terrorist group , but this could be a naive way to say: our people from Egypt's brotherhood sent us

Before I come across this video I noticed that many people here believe that MB ust be involved in a way or another to the attack on US's Consulate, MB members don't hide that they have relations with extremist groups in North Africa and Syria and Afghanistan, but the people who suspect MB are involved in the attacks  don't care to prove their doubts because they  think that US is not  interested in investigating anything doubtful that might endanger its good relation with MB

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  • konigludwig

    The Muslim Brotherhood is connected to Ansar al-Sharia, whose members attacked the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi, and who killed one of our best representatives to the Arab world, J.Christopher Stevens. That much is true. Ayman al-Zawahiri, the Egyptian founder and leader of Al Qaeda, was a member of the Muslim Brotherhood. And so we are to believe that the American government is in collusion with the people who attacked our Ambassador, and who have caused so much trouble for the Obama administration, and who are directly associated with the leader of America's greatest enemy, Al Qaeda?

    I'm sorry, my friend, but those connections make absolutely no sense. You might as well be arguing that Osama bin Laden is Obama's secret half brother.

    • Fada

      I don't get which connection makes no sense? All kinds of Islamic groups in the world have emerged from the cloak of MB, the first Islamic organization in modern History. Should I also consider Ayman Zawahri a liar for saying that Morsi promised him in Pakistan to bring him back to Egypt?

      Seriously, why should Obama be related to terrorists when he choose to support the wrong regime after Mubarak?

      • konigludwig

        How did Obama "choose to support" the Muslim Brotherhood? Was there someone else in charge in Egypt? Was there another choice? Morsi is not Egypt; Obama is not America. Egypt and America are allies and have agreements that go back before Morsi and Obama. What should America and Obama do? Tell me.

      • Fada

        Hey! take easy, all my concern is BH's crimes. I am not thinking about US or Obama or blaming him or even denying US the right to manage its higher interests, I am thinking about how to get rid of this evil faction and I have a very small hope that they will not stay the favourite of any power after they failed to hide their ugly face

      • konigludwig

        I'm sorry, Fada. Really, I do understand. But you have to believe me that just because government officials have private meetings, it does not signify support or even friendship. Churchill and Roosevelt met with Stalin at Yalta, and they hated that sonofabitch.

        Americans hate Morsi. We do. Europeans hate Morsi. We are very sad and upset and worried over the future of Egypt. It was someplace we all dreamed about visiting when we were children; now grown adults we would be afraid. We are very sad for the people of Egypt. We would never support this.

        I hope and believe that you are right. We are still fighting against those who wish to impose a religious dictatorship on Americans every day. The fight for freedom is never over. But it is a fight worth fighting.

      • Fada

        No problem :) I understand why I'm still getting defensive replies when I post anti-MB stuffs mentioning US's support in the context.
        Some people ''and you were not'' :) get me wrong because US citizens are still sensitive to the old silly notion of 'blame US for everything instead of taking possitive action to solve your problem' but this notion was rife during Iraq's war and not anymore
        I thought you will get me right, I am an activist and activists must mean something possitive when posting. I always look at the future not the past,
        but now I understand that explaining my point is difficult
        Well let me call it a 'hope' in US's influence and deplomacy in the ME and not a go blame game, I like Obama and all my US relatives voted him, by the way they are athiests
        I hope that revealing the mess to US people urges their elected makers of decision to do or say something to let the inexperienced MB leaders understand that US support is conditioned and not for granted whatever they do,
        They are really a phenomena of massive low IQ to understand that this support based on fulfilling their old promises about Democracy and sharing and respect of rights of minorities and women and free media and Judicial independence

      • P.Brady

        Fada,
        I have read your many posts on FBA this last year. You are an example to me of the younger generation in many countries , highly educated, actively invovled in political life and the sign of hope for the future of your country; Egypt.
        You have educated me about many of the issues that are now visible as the result of the Arab Spring. Moving any country from dictatorship to a pratical democracy can take generations. Add to that, the mix of lack of basic education, religious fundamemtalism, and patriarchal fears when women become equal leads to one step forward and two steps backwards for most citizens.
        Here in the US, I am sorry to say, many ordinary folks still think all Muslims are terrorists, and the countries of North Africa can only be named with the help of a good map.
        I hope one day to visit Eygpt, and walk the shores of Alexandria, transit the suez canal, take a boat ride on the NIle and explore the neighobrhoods that I read about in the Cairo Trilogy novels of Naguib Mahfouz.
        I hope you can visit your relatives in the US some day and see for yourself the beauty of our country and the diverse groups of people who call themselves American.
        Pray for peace and work for justice.

      • konigludwig

        What wonderful sentiments, Brady. I had to smile when you wrote of a "lack of basic education, religious fundamentalism, and patriarchal fears." These are such a large part of the present American political experience. How any American can consider Middle East cultures backward is amusing and betrays an incredible deficit of self awareness.

      • P.Brady

        Yes, these impediments to democracy are in every society worldwide. We have enough of them right here in the US and I am afraid they seem to be multiplying like rabbits.

      • Fada

        This is a very nice post P.Brady, I missed those days before the current wars and riots when my conversations with American friends were about Grand Canyon and Pyramids and the rare flowers in hot summer of CA desert and my kingdom of cats and my hobby of watching old white and black movies
        Now it is about the daily killing somewhere and suicide murderers I've never met but on the news
        I don't waste time in defending moderate muslems when I hear some one calling them terrorists, I know that Islamophobia is a temporal political wave that will fade away by time.
        Dennise, my sweet cousin in law from Texas is setting a page on Facebook for defending muslems she met in Egypt, I want her to defend stray cat's rights instead of dwelling in a useless cause :)
        I visited US twice before this airport screening thing, it is good only for strippers :) I posted an old funny post about screening http://freebloggersalliance.org/2012/11/29/the-t-s-a-disclosed-the-airport-screening-results/

        Do you know that the ignorant Islamic Minister of Culture has banned the books of the Nobel awarded Naguib Mahfouz because of his book (Sons of our alley) that tells story of mankind and making God their grandfather ?

        The good news is that writers and artists protested in front of his office and forced him to resign

      • P.Brady

        Fada,
        Glad your cousin in law is doing her part in all places, Texas!
        I do not think they allow stray cats in Texas or if they find one , they are told they crossed the border illegally.:)
        A former Republican party offical,now a Tea Party extremist in Texas has accused Grover Norquist of converting to Islam because he is growing a beard!:-). He is married to a Palestinian woman.
        Also love your sense of humor. Your old post about the airport screening machines is very funny.
        Applause to the artists and writers who forced the Minster of Culture out of office.

      • Fada

        Dennise is one of my best friends, she is an example of the true American values that we must read about to disperse the false image created by the news of politics and wars but polititians and their media here and there don't want the people to know anything about eachother, this would ruin their efforts in creating the fear of ''the common enemy'' to control their people
        .
        LoL! beard is Islam? Men have had beards tens of thousands of years before inventing razors ...and before religions
        Apparantly all extremists are the same mindst. Fundamentalists on facebook call me Christian and a foreign spy because of my hair and dressing I answer them that their Morsi is the spy who was in jail before his fellows break into the prison and release him during 2011 protests

        The shameful case of spying at Egyptian space scientist is still in front of court,

      • konigludwig

        They are really a phenomena of massive low IQ to understand that this support based on fulfilling their old promises about Democracy and sharing and respect of rights of minorities and women and free media and Judicial independence

        Lol. That is a great phrase, "phenomena of massive low IQ."

        Morsi and the Muslim Brotherhood deceived many people and many foreign policy experts among them. Even many Egyptians did not believe that Morsi would be so bad at first. Is that not true? The Obama people were hopeful that Morsi would be a moderate. Now the President must wrestle with how to maintain America's ties with Egypt, which all Americans value, and deal with an Islamist government that does not represent our values.

      • Fada

        They didn't decieve foreign policy experts only, they decieved me the Egyptian and athiest who refuses mixing religion with politics, I believed that they are moderate and no problem in trying them for 4 years

        The massive stupidity is true because MB used to marry their female relatives for 84 years. Genes deteriorate and traits weaken when you don't renew it with new genes from other families

        You caused me to laugh imagining their massive stupidity though I was serious about their stupidity. Being evil for evil without any plan for the future proves that absolute evil is stupidity
        Since you caused me laugh in a bad day I oue you a laugher, I will bring you this chain of local 'true' crazy news about their stupidity, it is making Facebook a place for daily fun and anecdotes

        1- Islamic Minister of Culture has banned art of Ballet because it encourages prostitution and nudity :) Our thin tender Ballet dancers ambushed him in a big mall and pushed his clothes...lol... he is the nude at last! His scandalous photos caused him to cansle ban of Ballet before he resign
        2- Minister of Media is a religious guy who loves minor girls, he couldn't resist saying a sexual remark to a young beautiful girl in a conference when she asked him where is freedom of opinion in your agenda, he winked his eye and said ''come to me I show you where'' . A young youth raised his voice defending the girl : you sexual Minister come to me, it is bigger. OMG it was all on TV!

        3- Morsi said in a TV speech that he knows (who is doing what and where and when and why!! and I can punish them) pointing to the criticism in TV interviews as if it is a secret! In uniform response most of newspapers headlines in the next day was moking him and writing things like, we are insulting you it is not a secret to discover smarty!

        4- A simple innocent farmer complained to Morsi in a national celebration saying : the bank refuses to give me a loan to buy sheeps.
        Stupid Morsi piqued and shouted in front of cameras : how dare you!!?
        (The word 'Sheep' means in Egypt a member of MB) and his anger was a confession in public he is a sheep

      • konigludwig

        Oh, my. I must go to sleep, but we will continue with this tomorrow.

  • damnthaman

    Thank you so much for sharing this story. Most times, your reporting is all I can get about the events in Egypt. I think news media in the West are afraid to report on stories that have so many different undercurrents. They despise loose ends and that makes the news reporting here suffer greatly. We know though that the World is full of loose ends and moving developments. Your stories provide a running narrative on these monumental events of our time.

    • Fada

      damnthaman, this problem is the same everywhere, no matter it is the unified input of corporate media, State media, controlled media or paid media, they all put favorite events in the spotlight and ignore the unfavourite news and redicule it orandlander free lancer writers as nutheads and theorists
      We might be lucky to have big number of independent journals and TV channels watched for free by everyone (not cable tv) , those free media depend on adv to finance itself not to be controlled with agendas

      • damnthaman

        We are the weeds being pulled by the finance for the purpose of the agendas. Financiers are fighting against the freedom of the public because that freedom is an impediment to profit. It is clear that government universally is influenced by these interests most of the time. In truth, over the last two centuries government was set up to serve these interests through ill gotten monies. The money and influence will always attract toward powerful positions in any realm perpetuating the cycle of dirty profit buying dirty business. That being so, the dirty money is not omnipotent as it once was during colonialism which only ended as common practice In the last thirty years. Yet the influence of ill gotten money is there and directed effectively toward those agendas. Why should the media be any different? They are merely another extension of power and where the money is spent, the effects are forthcoming. In a dynamic system total control is impossible. It is the illusion of control that is sold as news casting. The money cannot cover every segment, though. So each day or two, for a few minutes the real news sneaks through all the adverts and the programming. That is my best reading of the state of media in the Western Influenced World. Big money interests run the show but sometimes the show doesn't follow the script. When people get too much influence, the "show" WILL get shut down. Is that really so bad a thing?

      • Fada

        So the readers and veiwers must be witty enough to recognixze the small glimpse of truth sneaking among the one sided news over a particular issue that is attracting mainstream attention
        but intelligent people are not the majority they are those who are capable of catching the most likely true news because they are not counting on corporate media, they are searching and weighing the news from different sources and on internet and from world media

        Money overthrows the truth. For example our terrorist MB who are fighting for the survival of their organization bought a page of Congress websites with $100 thousand adv. 'I am not sure if it's really the page of Congress'
        and they put a poll 'Morsi or Military' and they didn't tell Egyptians about this They rushed to vote Morsi did get 60% . This would be a joke because all followers of MB are 800.000 person

      • damnthaman

        Money blankets truth and distorts it. But truth itself is absolute. One who is "witty" can extrapolate truth even from such a skewed poll as your example. The calculus can be done and the hard data can be used to great effect. It takes a massive amount of resources and energy to maintain the illusions of false truth. On the other hand, when one discovers the reality, very small actions can have immense impact because of the nature and power of truth. While it does take a person of developed critical intellect to sniff out untruth, people generally recognize truth when they see it. Especially when it becomes so rare, we long for it. When something true reaches us, we instinctively can feel it. It is somehow...correct. A good example is the young man who speaks in the article you posted recently. For him to say these things is perfectly natural because he has lived it. For us to hear it is shocking because so many of us live under the blanket of untruth. Now, it cannot be unheard by me. The simple words used by that boy can apply to very complex feelings in my own world. No skewed MB poll will change the truths told by that boy. Nor how those truths resonate in the world. The false polls and manipulations may change power structures and affect business deals but for him, you and me nothing will alter the truth.

      • Fada

        Well said damnthaman. Your briliant analysis lets me tell you how the one who is living a bleak truth feels when he is pushed to defend his credibility about something he or she is living and hearing on a daily scale.
        The bad events is commonplace to him that he believes everybody else on the planet must be hearing it, but when he looks arround he feels like there is an imaginary fence between him and the world beyond his borders.
        He realizes that the people of the other world are looking at him as a part of altered news they buy everyday depending on 'who want to tell what' not on what's happening in reality. This is frustrating because he don't want anything out of spreading the truth but to feel hope in change and to get assured that he is not alone, the world is there watching the evil with him and condemning it